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North Carolina Shark Attacks - What's really swarming under those boats?


Article 22B.

Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact.

This Article may be cited as the "Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact." (2008-120, s. 1.)

§ 113-300.6. Governor to execute compact; form of compact.
The Governor shall execute an Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact on behalf of the State of North Carolina with any state of the United States legally joining therein in the form substantially as follows:

Article I.

Findings, Declaration of Policy, and Purpose.

(a) The party states find that:
(1) Wildlife resources are managed in trust by the respective states for the benefit
of all residents and visitors.

(2) The protection of their respective wildlife resources can be materially affected
by the degree of compliance with state statute, law, regulation, ordinance, or
administrative rule relating to the management of those resources.

(3) The preservation, protection, management, and restoration of wildlife contributes immeasurably to the aesthetic, recreational, and economic aspects
of these natural resources.

(4) Wildlife resources are valuable without regard to political boundaries;
therefore, all persons should be required to comply with wildlife preservation, protection, management, and restoration laws, ordinances, and administrative rules and regulations of all party states as a condition precedent to the continuance or issuance of any license to hunt, fish, trap, or possess wildlife.

(5) Violation of wildlife laws interferes with the management of wildlife resources and may endanger the safety of persons and property.

(6) The mobility of many wildlife law violators necessitates the maintenance of channels of communication among the various states.

(7) In most instances, a person who is cited for a wildlife violation in a state other than the person's home state:
a. Must post collateral or bond to secure appearance for a trial at a later date; or
b. If unable to post collateral or bond, is taken into custody until the collateral or bond is posted; or
c. Is taken directly to court for an immediate appearance.

(8) The purpose of the enforcement practices described in subdivision (7) of this subsection is to ensure compliance with the terms of a wildlife citation by the person who, if permitted to continue on the person's way after receiving the citation, could return to the person's home state and disregard the person's
duty under the terms of the citation.

(9) In most instances, a person receiving a wildlife citation in the person's home
state is permitted to accept the citation from the officer at the scene of the violation and to immediately continue on the person's way after agreeing or being instructed to comply with the terms of the citation.
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(10) The practice described in subdivision (7) of this subsection causes unnecessary inconvenience and, at times, a hardship for the person who is unable at the time to post collateral, furnish a bond, stand trial, or pay the fine, and thus is compelled to remain in custody until some alternative arrangement can be made.

(11) The enforcement practices described in subdivision (7) of this subsection consume an undue amount of law enforcement time.

(b) It is the policy of the party states to:

(1) Promote compliance with the statutes, laws, ordinances, regulations, and
administrative rules relating to management of wildlife resources in their
respective states.

(2) Recognize the suspension of wildlife license privileges of any person whose
license privileges have been suspended by a party state and treat this
suspension as if it had occurred in their state.

(3) Allow violators to accept a wildlife citation, except as provided in subsection
(b) of Article III, and proceed on the violator’s way without delay whether or not the person is a resident in the state in which the citation was issued, provided that the violator's home state is party to this compact.

(4) Report to the appropriate party state, as provided in the compact manual, any conviction recorded against any person whose home state was not the issuing state.

(5) Allow the home state to recognize and treat convictions recorded for their residents which occurred in another party state as if they had occurred in the home state.

(6) Extend cooperation to its fullest extent among the party states for obtaining compliance with the terms of a wildlife citation issued in one party state to a resident of another party state.

(7) Maximize effective use of law enforcement personnel and information.

(8) Assist court systems in the efficient disposition of wildlife violations.

(c) The purposes of this compact are to:

(1) Provide a means through which the party states may participate in a reciprocal program to effectuate policies enumerated in subsection (b) of this Article in a uniform and orderly manner.

(2) Provide for the fair and impartial treatment of wildlife violators operating within party states in recognition of the person’s right of due process and the sovereign status of a party state.

Article II. Definitions.

Unless the context requires otherwise, the definitions in this Article apply through this compact and are intended only for the implementation of this compact:

(1) “Citation" means any summons, complaint, ticket, penalty assessment, or other official document issued by a wildlife officer or other peace officer for a wildlife violation containing an order which requires the person to respond.

(2) "Collateral" means any cash or other security deposited to secure an appearance for trial, in connection with the issuance by a wildlife officer or other peace officer of a citation for a wildlife violation.
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(3) “Compliance" with respect to a citation means the act of answering the citation through appearance at a court, a tribunal, or payment of fines, costs, and surcharges, if any, or both such appearance and payment.

(4) “Conviction" means a conviction, including any court conviction, of any offense related to the preservation, protection, management, or restoration of wildlife which is prohibited by state statute, law, regulation, ordinance, or administrative rule, or a forfeiture of bail, bond, or other security deposited to secure appearance by a person charged with having committed any such offense, or payment of a penalty assessment, or a plea of nolo contendere, or the imposition of a deferred or suspended sentence by the court.

(5) “Court" means a court of law, including Magistrate's Court and the Justice of the Peace Court.

(6) “Home state" means the state of primary residence of a person.

(7) "Issuing state" means the party state which issues a wildlife citation to the

(8) "License" means any license, permit, or other public document which conveys
to the person to whom it was issued the privilege of pursuing, possessing, or taking any wildlife regulated by statute, law, regulation, ordinance, or administrative rule of a party state.

(9) “Licensing authority" means the department or division within each party state which is authorized by law to issue or approve licenses or permits to hunt, fish, trap, or possess wildlife.

(10) “Party state" means any state which enacts legislation to become a member of this wildlife compact.

(11) “Personal recognizance" means an agreement by a person made at the time of issuance of the wildlife citation that the person will comply with the terms of that citation.

(12) “State" means any state, territory, or possession of the United States, including the District of Columbia and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.

(13) “Suspension" means any revocation, denial, or withdrawal of any or all license privileges, including the privilege to apply for, purchase, or exercise the benefits conferred by any license.

(14) “Terms of the citation" means those conditions and options expressly stated upon the citation.

(15) "Wildlife" means all species of animals, including but not necessarily limited to mammals, birds, fish, reptiles, amphibians, mollusks, and crustaceans, which are defined as "wildlife" and are protected or otherwise regulated by statute, law, regulation, ordinance, or administrative rule in a party state. "Wildlife" includes all species of animals that are protected or regulated by the Wildlife Resources Commission, the Marine Fisheries Commission, or the Division of Marine Fisheries in the Department of Environmental Quality. "Wildlife" also means food fish and shellfish as defined by statute, law, regulation, ordinance, or administrative rule in a party state. Species included in the definition of “wildlife" vary from state to state and determination of whether a species is "wildlife" for the purposes of this compact shall be based on local law.

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(16) “Wildlife law" means any statute, law, regulation, ordinance, or administrative rule developed and enacted to manage wildlife resources and the use thereof.

(17) “Wildlife officer" means any individual authorized by a party state to issue a citation for a wildlife violation.

(18) “Wildlife violation" means any cited violation of a statute, law, regulation, ordinance, or administrative rule developed and enacted to manage wildlife resources and the use thereof.

Article III. Procedures for Issuing State.

(a) When issuing a citation for a wildlife violation, a wildlife officer shall issue a citation to any person whose primary residence is in a party state in the same manner as if the person were a resident of the home state and shall not require the person to post collateral to secure appearance, subject to the exceptions contained in subsection (b) of this Article, if the officer receives the person’s personal recognizance that the person will comply with the terms of the citation.

(b) Personal recognizance is acceptable:

(1) If not prohibited by local law or the compact manual; and

(2) If the violator provides adequate proof of the violator's identification to the
wildlife officer.

(c) Upon conviction or failure of a person to comply with the terms of a wildlife citation,
the appropriate official shall report the conviction or failure to comply to the licensing authority of the party state in which the wildlife citation was issued. The report shall be made in accordance with procedures specified by the issuing state and shall contain the information specified in the compact manual as minimum requirements for effective processing by the home state.

(d) Upon receipt of the report of conviction or noncompliance required by subsection (c) of this Article, the licensing authority of the issuing state shall transmit to the licensing authority in the home state of the violator the information in a form and content as contained in the compact manual.
Article IV. Procedures for Home State.

(a) Upon receipt of a report of failure to comply with the terms of a citation from the licensing authority of the issuing state, the licensing authority of the home state shall notify the violator, shall initiate a suspension action in accordance with the home state's suspension procedures, and shall suspend the violator's license privileges until satisfactory evidence of compliance with the terms of the wildlife citation has been furnished by the issuing state to the home state licensing authority. Due process safeguards will be accorded.

(b) Upon receipt of a report of conviction from the licensing authority of the issuing state, the licensing authority of the home state shall enter such conviction in its records and shall treat such conviction as if it occurred in the home state for the purposes of the suspension of license privileges.

(c) The licensing authority of the home state shall maintain a record of actions taken and make reports to issuing states as provided in the compact manual.

Article V.

Reciprocal Recognition of Suspension.

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All party states shall recognize the suspension of license privileges of any person by any state as if the violation on which the suspension is based had in fact occurred in their state and could have been the basis for suspension of license privileges in their state.

Article VI. Applicability of Other Laws.

Except as expressly required by provisions of this compact, nothing herein shall be construed to affect the right of any party state to apply any of its laws relating to license privileges to any person or circumstance or to invalidate or prevent any agreement or other cooperative arrangements between a party state and a nonparty state concerning wildlife law enforcement.

Article VII.

Compact Administrator Procedures.

(a) For the purpose of administering the provisions of this compact and to serve as a governing body for the resolution of all matters relating to the operation of this compact, a Board of Compact Administrators is established. The Board of Compact Administrators shall be composed of one representative from each of the party states to be known as the Compact Administrator. The Compact Administrator shall be appointed by the head of the licensing authority of each party state and will serve and be subject to removal in accordance with the laws of the state the Compact Administrator represents. A Compact Administrator may provide for the discharge of the Compact Administrator's duties and the performance of the Compact Administrator's functions as a Board member by an alternate. An alternate shall not be entitled to serve unless written notification of the alternate’s identity has been given to the Board of Compact Administrators.

(b) Each member of the Board of Compact Administrators shall be entitled to one vote. No action of the Board of Compact Administrators shall be binding unless taken at a meeting at which a majority of the total number of votes on the board are cast in favor thereof. Action by the Board of Compact Administrators shall be only at a meeting at which a majority of the party states are represented.

(c) The Board of Compact Administrators shall elect annually, from its membership, a Chair and Vice-Chair.

(d) The Board of Compact Administrators shall adopt bylaws, not inconsistent with the provisions of this compact or the laws of a party state, for the conduct of its business and shall have the power to amend and rescind its bylaws.

(e) The Board of Compact Administrators may accept for any of its purposes and functions under this compact all donations and grants of money, equipment, supplies, materials, and services, conditional or otherwise, from any state, the United States, or any governmental agency, and may receive, utilize, and dispose of the same.

(f) The Board of Compact Administrators may contract with or accept services or personnel from any governmental or intergovernmental agency, individual, firm, corporation, or any private nonprofit organization or institution.

(g) The Board of Compact Administrators shall formulate all necessary procedures and develop uniform forms and documents for administering the provisions of this compact. All procedures and forms adopted pursuant to Board of Compact Administrators action shall be contained in the compact manual.
Article VIII.

Entry into Compact and Withdrawal.

(a) This compact shall become effective when it has been adopted by at least two states. NC General Statutes - Chapter 113 Article 22B 5

(b) (1)
Entry into the compact shall be made by resolution of ratification executed by the authorized officials of the applying state and submitted to the Chair of the Board of Compact Administrators.

(2) The resolution shall be in a form and content as provided in the compact manual and shall include statements that in substance are as follows:

a. A citation of the authority by which the state is empowered to become a party to this compact;

b. Agreement to comply with the terms and provisions of the compact; and

c. That compact entry is with all states then party to the compact and with any state that legally becomes a party to the compact.

(3) The effective date of entry shall be specified by the applying state, but shall not be less than 60 days after notice has been given by the Chair of the Board of Compact Administrators or by the secretariat of the Board to each party state that the resolution from the applying state has been received.

(c) A party state may withdraw from this compact by official written notice to the other party states, but a withdrawal shall not take effect until 90 days after notice of withdrawal is given. The notice shall be directed to the Compact Administrator of each member state.  No withdrawal shall affect the validity of this compact as to the remaining party states.

Article IX.

Amendments to the Compact.

(a) This compact may be amended from time to time. Amendments shall be presented in resolution form to the Chair of the Board of Compact Administrators and may be initiated by one or more party states.

(b) Adoption of an amendment shall require endorsement by all party states and shall become effective 30 days after the date of the last endorsement.

Article X. Construction and Severability.

This compact shall be liberally construed so as to effectuate the purposes stated herein. The provisions of this compact shall be severable and if any phrase, clause, sentence, or provision of this compact is declared to be contrary to the constitution of any party state or of the United States or the applicability thereof to any government, agency, individual, or circumstance is held invalid, the compact shall not be affected thereby. If this compact shall be held contrary to the constitution of any party state thereto, the compact shall remain in full force and effect as to the remaining states and in full force and effect as to the state affected as to all severable matters. (2008-120, s. 1; 2009-15, s. 1; 2015-241, s. 14.30(u).)

§ 113-300.7. Appointment of Compact Administrator; implementation; rules; amendments.

(a) The Chair of the Wildlife Resources Commission, in consultation with the Chair of the Marine Fisheries Commission and the Fisheries Director, shall appoint the Compact Administrator for North Carolina. The Compact Administrator shall serve at the pleasure of the Chair of the Wildlife Resources Commission.

(b) The Wildlife Resources Commission, the Secretary of Environmental Quality, and the Division of Marine Fisheries may suspend or revoke the license, privilege, or right of any person to hunt, fish, trap, possess, or transport wildlife in this State to the extent that the license, NC General Statutes - Chapter 113 Article 22B 6
privilege, or right has been suspended or revoked by another compact member under the provisions of this Article.

(c) The Wildlife Resources Commission and the Marine Fisheries Commission shall adopt rules necessary to carry out the purposes of this Article.

(d) Any proposed amendment to the Compact shall be submitted to the General Assembly as an amendment to G.S. 113-300.6. In order to be endorsed by the State of North Carolina as provided by subsection (b) of Article IX of the Compact, a proposed amendment to the Compact must be enacted into law. (2008-120, s. 1; 2009-15, s. 2; 2015-241, s. 14.30(v).)

§ 113-300.8. Violations.

It is unlawful for a person whose license, privilege, or right to hunt, fish, trap, possess, or transport wildlife has been suspended or revoked under the provisions of this Article to exercise that right or privilege within this State or to purchase or possess a license granting that right or privilege. A person who hunts, fishes, traps, possesses, or transports wildlife in this State or who purchases or possesses a license to hunt, fish, trap, possess, or transport wildlife in this State in violation of a suspension or revocation under this Article is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. (2008-120, s. 1.)

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The most recent post by Citizens Science last night is from a story by WWAY over 2 years ago. Along with that story is one that followed later by one of the fishermen who was fishing close to the beach. You will find out that it wasn't a shrimping boat or even a commercial fishing operation but some folks that were involved in a fishing tournament using rod & reel.

CAROLINA BEACH, NC (WWAY) — Some fishermen in Carolina Beach are defending their boats after some surfers brought up concerns.

Tuesday, Carolina beach surfer Bobby Small told us he’s seen fishing boats very close to the shoreline this summer.  He thinks there should be some kind of regulation to keep them a certain distance away, because he is concerned they are attracting sharks closer to the shore.

Here's the link on the WWAY website:

Fisherman Jeff Smith said he was one of those boats close to the shore recently, because of a weekend fishing competition. He said there should not be a concern, because fishermen are not bringing sharks closer to shore. He said sharks will be where bait is.

“The fishermen that are in catching bait, if you’re talking about sharks, the bait is already in on the shore,” Smith said. “The sharks are with the bait. They don’t follow the boats in. When a boat comes in to catch bait, they probably scare the sharks off more so than bringing any in.”

Smith also said fishing boats do not go past the breakers. The town manager and marine fisheries both said there are no laws against fishermen coming within a certain distance from the shoreline.
LVMPD knows the motive behind the attack, but the FBI will not allow it to be released because it implicates the FBI in illegal arms deals and supplying arms to ISIS terrorists within U.S. borders.

Stephen Paddock was an undercover FBI agent who participated in multiple illegal arms deals in the Las Vegas area in a gun running entrapment scheme similar to Fast and Furious.  Paddock thought he was engaging in another routine arms transfer, but ISIS had learned about the entrapment scheme and Paddock’s true identity. They killed him and carried out the massacre, and then fled the scene.

Everything is being kept under extreme wraps because 1) armed ISIS terrorists are still at large and 2) this is very embarrassing to the FBI and they don’t want their scheme to become public knowledge.  The people within LVMP are disgusted and are pushing for this information to be released to the public.

As you read the above and weigh its worth, please know we may never fully know the truth on what occurred but we can look further into known facts with each seeming to support the above.

- Mandalay Bay formally refutes timeline of events issued by authorities.  Stating the time the security guard was  shot is “not accurate”.   The resort owner said 40 seconds elapsed between the time a staff security guard was shot and when gunfire erupted upon crowd attending the music festival, therefor disputing six minutes as reported by authority’s.

- Authorities revise and restate timeline of first shooting and ensuing mass shooting

- Security Breach - Officer Tim Broadway with the Reno Police Department said the suspect or suspects broke into the home (Stephen Paddock) through the front door over the weekend, noting he was not sure how exactly the suspects gained entry.  Reno officers arrived on scene and “immediately notified the FBI,” he said. Broadway said the department is working with the FBI to “make sure there are no further incidents.”  Broadway said officers were not aware of anything that was taken or whether there were any damages. There are no suspects at this time.

- Mandalay Bay (MGM) employee Jesus Campos reported to be first individual shot by Stephen Paddock while on the 32nd floor hallway agrees to Fox News interview with Sean Hannity set for Thursday evening.  Fox News and Hannity report the interview was cancelled. 

- Confiscated Smartphones etc. reportedly returned and found to be wiped clean

- Independent Journalist visits Campos home to find private security guard armed and present.

- As authorities seek answers about the timeline, they are lacking one important investigative tool. There are no surveillance cameras in the hotel hallways at the Mandalay Bay reports AP.


— A surfer in Carolina Beach is questioning regulations on fishing and shrimp boats near the shoreline.

Bobby Small took pictures of these boats one morning after finding them near a surfing area. He said it is not unusual for him to see fishing boats somewhere in the water. In the last few weeks though, he said they are much closer.

“Three or four of us kind of looked over our shoulder,’ Small said. “We couldn’t believe how close they were to the surf line.”

Small said they were so close, he could see into their boats.

“We could see whatever they would pull in and reject as far as marine life and throw it off the back,” Small said. “Then there would be like a bird feeding frenzy and I’m sure below the water there was stuff feeding too.”

That sent Small looking for answers.

“It just seems like there should be something in place to benefit the fishermen and the people swimming or surfing,” Small said.

When we called the town harbor master, he said he did not know of any laws and referred us to Marine Fisheries. Marine Fisheries told us they do not regulate that and sent us back to the town. The town manager told us there are no laws or regulations for fishing boats near the shoreline. Small found that strange.

“Since we have to stay away from their pier, I think it would be nice if they had to stay away from our surf line,” Small said.

While he said no one can get rid of sharks, maybe they can at least keep incentives away from the shore.

“I’m definitely all for local fishing, but it just seems they were a little too close for comfort,” Small said.

For now, Small said he is going to do some more research, before he proposes anything to officials.
Contrary to the perception that Jerry Schill would like to plant in your mind, this is not a farming operation.  A farmer can't afford to waste four bushels of soybeans for every one bushel of corn that he harvests.  That farmer would quickly go bankrupt...that is unless he was destroying four bushels of his neighbor's beans for every one bushel of his other neighbor's corn that he was harvesting for his own profit with his only expenses being his equipment, labor and diesel fuel.

This is a shrimping operation legally harvesting a public trust resource for which he pays nothing to the people of NC for the harvest of that public resource.  He obviously pays taxes, license fees ($200 for annual license to fish and $200 as a pass-through cost to subsidize his or other's gillnet operations so that NOAA can monitor endangered species killed in NC's gillnet fisheries), boat registration fees, etc.  These do have a multiplier effect on the local economy.  It's a stretch to say that NC's shrimp industry is providing "fresh catch" to NC citizen's.  Most of the shrimp, and all of NC's seafood, are shipped out-of-state to processors supplying large Northern urban areas.  Once that product leaves the state, the multiplier effect benefiting NC stops. 

Numerous studies conducted by NOAA and NCDMF show that, on average, a shrimp trawler will discard about four pounds of bycatch ("Chum") for every one pound of heads-on shrimp landed.  So, that means they'll discard about six pounds of bycatch for every one pound of edible shrimp (heads-off). 

Think about that.  Six pounds of bycatch, waste, trash, "chum"...whatever you'd like to call it...for one pound of shrimp on your plate.

This bycatch consists mainly of juvenile finfish that is predominately made up of croaker, spot and gray trout.  These are 3" to 7" fish that average about 22 fish per pound of bycatch.  Think about buying shrimp by the "count".  A 21-25 count shrimp is a pretty good eating size.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that a net designed to catch shrimp is going to catch juvenile finfish of about the same size. 

While Jerry Schill may chime in to reply to this post, please beware and keep in mind that Jerry is a paid lobbyist for the commercial fishing industry.  He works for the North Carolina Fisheries Association (NCFA) which is heavily funded by Brent Fulcher.  Fulcher owns Beaufort Inlet Seafood and was interviewed during the 2016 election by Fox News.  During that interview, Fulcher claimed to control 60% of the typical average shrimp harvest in NC.

Schill will falsely claim that the "industry" has reduced bycatch by 30% to 50% over the last three years through gear modifications.  It is not so.  The gear trials were a last ditch effort by the industry to stave off impending regulations mandating bycatch reductions or a curtailment of effort while juvenile finfish are present in the important nursery areas where shrimping is allowed.  The gear modification trials are seen by many as a pure delaying tactic while the industry works to change the make-up of the Marine Fisheries Commission and influence members of the NC Legislature.

The videos below show what that six pounds of trash, "chum", waste or bycatch that is discarded for every one pound of shrimp on your plate looks like, try to find the shrimp.  Yes, it does feed some gulls, crabs and sharks but most of it just rots on the bottom due to the sheer volume dumped at one time in 80+ degree water.

...and yes, all that waste does attract sharks.  Those sharks go somewhere when the trawler stops shrimping and leaves for the dock.

One man's trash could be another man's treasure if those 1/4 to 1/2 billion (yes, that's a "B") spot, croaker and gray trout killed annually in the shrimp trawl fishery were allowed to reach maturity instead on becoming shark food or bird food, or rotting-

There's a reason that South Carolina has trawl restrictions that do not allow trawling near beaches popular for swimming.  The question is...Are those restrictions sufficient given prevailing wind and currents?  I'm not aware of such restrictions in NC.

Here's a link to the SC trawling regulations.  Maps that are worth a 1000-words are at the bottom of the file.  Please note the closed "No Trawl" areas off popular beaches for swimming.  Also note that SC does NOT allow trawling in its inside estuaries.  SC understands the importance of protecting critical habitat nursery areas.  Every state on the Atlantic and Gulf coasts understands the importance...except NC.

I commend those who as Schill likes to say "wear out their deodorant" in a hard honest day's work.  Many of these men and women work day and night in a profession that is often ranked as the most dangerous industry sector in America.  Look at those videos and you can see why.  These men and women are doing what NC's rules and regulations allow them to do.  It's not their fault that NC allows what no other state in America allows.  It is the fault of our legislature, the NCDMF and past Marine Fisheries Commissions that we allow trawling in critical habitat nursery areas and refuse to honestly address juvenile bycatch discards in the shrimp trawl fishery...facts that make that fishery unsustainable. 

There are alternatives that will keep the small family owned operator fishing.  While Schill may publicly support such operations, his real support is for the large fish dealers, like Fulcher and Cooke Inc, that own numerous ocean going steel hulled multipurpose trawlers.  The large dealers use these trawlers to flood the market with shrimp thereby crashing the price.  The dealer can buy cheap shrimp from everyone, including himself, that he can then wholesale at a nice profit to those out-of-state markets in Baltimore, NJ and NY.  The dealer may lose money, or make little, on his own boats but he keeps his crew together in the summer months and then moves his boats to the highly lucrative fall and winter fluke and scallop fisheries off New England.

The average price for shrimp paid at the dock (ex-vessel or dockside price) for the last ten years has been $2.09 per pound with the low being $1.58 in 2009.  When adjusted for inflation the pound of shrimp that brought $1.97 in 1979 should be worth $6.60 today. 

Effort is not down, don't believe that big lie when you hear it. 

Both Schill and the NCDMF will tell you that effort is down as much as 75% today when compared to the 1970's and 1980's.  The implication is that bycatch is down by as much..."Hey, no need to address the issue.  Attrition solved it!" 


Are there less boats, absolutely.  However, the big industrial boats are pulling 220-feet of net versus the 45 to 60 feet of net that the smaller traditional boats pulled.  For the last 45-years shrimp harvest has average 6.7- million pounds annually.  For the last ten it averaged 7.3-million pounds.  For the last five it averaged 7.6-million pounds. In 2016, NC shrimpers landed 13.2-million pounds, more than double the long-time average.  When properly measured, effort is NOT down.  Has a big boat put several little boats out of business, absolutely.  Landings (Harvest) are going up, not down.  Bycatch is a function of CATCH.  Catch= Harvest + Discards. 

Please, get involved to bring positive change to management of our important coastal resources.  We must have sustainable fisheries.  We have lost our river herring.  We have lost our gray trout with no hope of recovery in sight. We are close to losing our flounder.  Spot runs that once filled ocean fishing piers with anglers standing shoulder-to-shoulder have disappeared.  A two-pound croaker that was common in 1980 doesn't exist today, it has been replaced by a 10" croaker.  This is called recruitment overfishing that leads to truncated age structures- small fish.

History shows that you can't have abundant and healthy finfish stocks by killing 1/4 to 1/2 billion juvenile croaker, spot and weakfish (gray trout) annually in the shrimp trawl fishery as discarded bycatch.

You can start here-

The fishing vessel “Linda Ann” is based out of Sneads Ferry, NC, and is owned by 73 year old John Norris and operated by his son, 43 year old Liston Norris. The boat provides a living for Liston, his two man crew and his Mom & Dad. Liston has been a commercial fisherman all of his life. They were shrimping, not involved in a "chumming operation".

The pictures of the boat shown at the beginning of this thread were taken off Topsail Beach about 2 weeks ago by a fisherman who was recreationally fishing off a boat of one of Liston’s friends. It’s not uncommon for recreational fishermen to follow a commercial fishing boat in an effort to target the sharks and other critters that are feeding behind the shrimping operation. If you’ve ever watched a farmer plowing or otherwise working the land, you will see dozens of gulls and other birds looking for easy pickings behind the tractor.

Citizens Science is very disingenuous when calling this a “chumming operation” and intentionally giving the uninformed the impression that it’s the intention of the captain and crew to get sharks into a feeding frenzy that may harm children. The boat is at least a half mile offshore and not posing any threat to anyone. If there are some that may be concerned about the sharks due to safety issues, they should be thankful the recreational fishermen are following behind to catch them!

The pictures of the “Linda Ann” were originally posted on Facebook by one of the recreational fishermen and apparently copied by Citizens Science. The underwater photographs came from somewhere else, probably found on the web. Again, very deceiving.

This brings up some interesting questions:
First, who is Citizens Science? I have no idea, but most legitimate sites have some name or attribution connected to it. Otherwise, where is the accountability?

Also interesting that when one signs up as a registered user for the site, you have to agree to a number of terms, including:

"You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material."

Perhaps the administrator of the site should go back and read their own rules.

Jerry Schill
I find the title of this article as well as the article itself totally disgusting! Shrimping & fishing is the livelihood all up & down the coast of North Carolina and has been for generations. Do you like fresh seafood or would you rather eat the imported trash grown in ditches overseas? The ocean is the sharks home not humans. Maybe if people starting watching their children, used common sense about the creatures who live in the ocean, these attacks wouldn't be happening. I have seen unsupervised children running up & down the beach, in & out of the water with no adult supervision whatsoever. How dare you blame our fishermen in such a derogatory manner! They are The hardest working people I know who work daylight to dark just so you can dineon fresh wholesome seafood. The Photo of the "Linda Ann" needs to be removed & you owe that kind & generous Fisherman an apology! This whole thing is about money! Put the commercial fishermen out of business so more tourists can lay claim to what used to be beautiful, serene untouched beaches.
"Official"- Red Wolf Reintroduction Scandal / Red Wolf - Endangered Update
« Last post by citizensscience on October 11, 2017, 06:09:09 AM »
Red Wolf Scandal Update -

What is a "chumming operation"?

#WITN describes this practice as a ... "crew throwing off fish and other refuse from their catch"

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